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Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Mar 16, 2015 14:35:42 GMT -5
(This is taking place soon after the 'Last Goodbyes' thread, involving Andrei and Ellen +/- Logan)
Andrei had spent the entire day inside the medbay, but now his shift was over, Harding coming to take over the next 12 hours. Since Mia left with Nate and Elizabeth was still too new to be fully trusted, it was up to him and Jane to keep things running. The events that took place in the last 24 hours were unsettling to say the least. Those people getting shot and considering they've been taken hostages by bandits, people threatening them inside the medbay, Nate's loyalty test. Rest had to wait. Andrei wanted to talk to Ellen so he can find out more about this entire story. He couldn't talk to Charlie about it, the fact that her emotional self was in control, most of the time, made it too much of a chore for him. With Ellen, he'd have a chance to talk more calmly and get an objective opinion on the matter, so they might better handle such situations in the future.
On the way to find Ellen, Dan stopped by his car, first, to take an unlabelled bottle, half filled with a clear liquid. Near the base, written in black marker was the word "Palincă". One of the last remnants of home. An alcoholic beverage some relatives of his distilled themselves; kicked like a wild stallion at a rodeo. His next stop was the mess hall to take 2 glasses, after which he asked one of the guards:
"Lad, where can I find Ellen? There's something I need to talk to her about."
Ellen stood by the gate when her scouts re-entered the camp. She had sent them to follow the intruders to make sure they'd leave and didn't double back on the way, in case they decided to be vengeful. One of her scouts came out of the jeep and toward her.
"They're gone." The scout said. "They kept driving, I don't expect them to be back, thank fuck. Goddamn traitors!" "At ease." Ellen answered. "They're gone and it's done. Get some food in you and some rest. You've done well."
Ellen nodded at the scout before taking off herself. It had been some time before she got any food in her system as well, and because of the intruders she had missed dinner. She thought maybe she could sit with her dad and her sister as she ate. It'd be nice.
At the mess hall, she found Andrei and overheard him looking for her. Appearing behind him, she tapped him on the shoulder.
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Mar 25, 2015 8:23:31 GMT -5
As luck would have it Ellen turned up right behind him. Feeling the tap on his shoulder he turned, revealing the bottle of volatile liquid and the two glasses.
"We should talk." he spoke gesturing towards one of the smaller tables inside the mess hall, after which he placed the bottle and glasses on it. Taking a seat, Andrei decided to begin. "I decided to come to you, since Charlie has the habit of igniting faster than gasoline." While talking, he poured a bit of drink in each glass, passing one to Ellen. He figured she'd need it. After a moment of silence during which Andrei drank the shot he poured earlier and grunted slightly after, he continued speaking.
"Truth is, the entire situation with this new group was a major clusterfuck, and you know it. I think we should try to look back and see what we can do to prevent further incidents and problems of this scale. That and see what we're going to do about the pregnant women. That sound agreeable to you?"
Ellen took her rifle of her back and sat down across from Andrei. He mentioned Charlie's hotheadedness and she couldn't help but agree, if only slightly. Charlie was a good fighter, skilled, loyal and her best friend, and even though nothing had yet been official yet, she couldn't deny the chemistry between them either. But Charlie had a temper and a bad attitude toward people and it took a great deal of patience and adjustment to be able to deal with her.
He poured her a shot and she took, heaving her glass to Andrei before drinking it. Immediately after, she started coughing. Did he just pour her a glass of gasoline? It took her a few shallow breaths before being able to breathe normally again to which she kept her head next to the table.
"Fuckin' hell... That's... That's... quite the kick." Ellen said, her voice clearly irritated from the drink. "What's in this shit, nitroglycerine? Holy fuck dude!"
She wiped the tears from her eyes that had gotten in them from the drink and opened up her jacket a bit. The stuff she drank had given her heatflares. She took a swig of water from the canteen on her belt before moving on with the conversation.
"Well now that we know I can survive toxins..." Ellen joked. "We should really discuss those matters yeah..."
Ellen knew Andrei was right. The intruders' coming was one major clusterfuck but she didn't regret shooting them, nor did she regret sending Nate away. He was out of line and openly sided with people that had been actively hostile toward the camp, and it could not be tolerated. Now that the intruders' along with the traitors were away, she knew they should focus on the pregnant women within the camp.
"We can handle the fallout from the intruders." Ellen said. "Those who sided with them are away now as well, I'm not expecting anything like it to happen again. My major concern are indeed the pregnant women in this camp. It raises a few questions. For starters, as you probably already know, we're ill-equipped to deliver and take care of baby's in the camp. Finding new equipment would mean sending both scavengers and guards to either Denver or Boulder. And I'll be honest with you, I'm not so keen on having other people risk their lives and potentially die because a couple of bimbo's couldn't keep their legs shut a few months ago."
Ellen knew she was being crude, but she was honest. All women had gotten pregnant after the outbreak, even though they had warned people against having sex. Still, human nature appeared to be stronger than their sense of survival and people danced the horizontal mambo regardless. And that's what got them in this situation.
"Now I know I sound rude and all, but truth be told we warned people not to go at it." Ellen continued. "But they did anyway. Then we had the situation with the New South militia, combined with most hospitals in Denver and Boulder being overrun by the rotters... Even if I were to set up an expedition, there's no guarantee we'll find anything and it might already be too late for at least one of the women by the time we get back. I take it you met Zoey?"
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Mar 27, 2015 5:04:41 GMT -5
Seeing people drink palincă for the first time never ceased to amuse. Few expected the thing to be so strong. After chuckling at Ellen's cussing, he responded.
"That, dear lass, is the main reason Romania used to be the 5th most alcohol-consuming country on the planet. Don't worry, it'll put some chest on your chest" he took another shot and continued to listen to Ellen. She jumped quickly into the subject regarding the pregnant women, but he wanted to clear up a few things regarding the massive clusterfuck before moving on.
"Hold up, let's take it one thing at a time. First of all, I know you did what you believed was the right thing with that whole fiasco, but, for the future, I think you should ask for other opinions after the initial military operation . Second of all, I heard about the test you administered to Nate, the false execution. Here's the problem there: Nate sat down and got to know some of the people in that group, the ones you'd have him execute. Killing someone is one thing, but shooting someone you got to know and believe isn't evil in the back of the head is near impossible. Let me spend some time with your guard and then ask them to execute me and you might find they might not be all so eager to carry out the order. Third of all, I want a few base rules to be set up regarding the medbay, specifically: inside the medbay, the medical staff outranks everyone and no weapons allowed without our say so. That way we can focus on taking care of the patients, not keeping order inside."
There had been too many people already who'd been moving around waving their guns around and being an overall threat to his patients. Still, he had said his peace regarding that subject, now it was time to move on to the more pressing issue of the pregnant women.
"Indeed, sending people to gather those supplies is risky to say the least. However, we will need them at some point if this place is going to last. We could try playing it by ear, or making some of those things ourselves. We will need to think about expanding, at some time, though, so getting those things along with some other medical gear would be useful. Also, we should take into consideration training a few people to help in the medbay. Mia left, so it's just me and Harding. There's that new lass, Elizabeth Foster, but I have a feeling she won't stick around for long."
He observed the annoyance with which Ellen spoke about the pregnant women. She warned them, but they went ahead and did it anyway. Morons. Massive morons.
"Yeah, I met Zoey earlier. I don't know what to think about her, yet, but I'll still help her. We could do a risky operation now to get those supplies from a hospital, or we could wait for winter to pass. Some might starve to death in that time, but that would mean more walkers. Another option would be a small cleanup operation in January, when most people would probably be too weak to fight back."
Ellen didn't like the tone and the lecture the doctor was giving him. She stood by her decision and having to cope with other people's opinions wasn't in her job's description. She didn't regret sending Nate away, and it's not like he had given her a choice. He openly rebelled against her and the guards and it couldn't go unpunished. She shook her head at Andrei. He had barely earned his place within the camp, he had no business questioning her decisions or making demands.
"I'm sorry doctor Moldovan, but that's not going to happen." Ellen answered. "When I relinquished command over to the Council I did so on the condition that the guard's authority would remain absolute, like it was with the police back when things were normal. And it has worked ever since. Now Nate openly defied that authority, and right in my face to boot, and that just couldn't stand. Even before I gave him the gun with the blanks and try to make him shoot them, he defended them not knowing what they had done. While he was sleeping off a hangover when everything happened, and having no real knowledge of what happened. The only ones he talked to were the intruders, without so much as to ask one of us for our side of the story. I mean yeah he talked to them. But they were captives and would've told anything to get free. For all we know they could've killed hundreds of innocent people to get here yet he was willing to defend them because he talked to them for five minutes? And going actively against those who cared and provided for him, lived with him each day sharing more joyous moments than dark ones. Hell yeah I did something drastic to test his loyalty, and I stand by my decision. A man who betrays his own that easily for people he just met and doesn't know? Hell, I'm glad he's gone."
Ellen leaned back in her seat and crossed her arms, putting her left foot on the table. Yeah she had manners and knew it was impolite. But in this world, she didn't have to care anymore.
"You'll get what you want, when you want and the absolute freedom to do as you must in the medbay." Ellen continued. "It's been like that ever since this place came to be. However, the safety of the camp comes first so no, I will not have myself or my guards disarm upon entering it. I'll throw you an olive branch though and have them leave their main primary weapon outside, keeping only their sidearm. You may get a say about my guards in the medbay but seeing as I'm on the Council just like doctor Harding your authority within does not surpass my own, or that of my XO Charlie. I will not take decisions, medical or otherwise, on what you do with your patients. However, if a patient has been actively hostile towards the camp's people and the guard just like the outsiders, I'll reserve myself the right to secure them within before you start your treatments. Agreed?"
Ellen knew that throwing in olive branches was probably going to cause some tension in the long run but she wasn't unreasonable. Still, she couldn't have the authority of the guard questioned either. They had thought her how to lead in the military yet there was still a difference between leading soldiers who got paid to follow orders and civilians who had nothing but their own survival on the line. She knew sometimes they came across as dictatorial but it was for the greater good; the protection of everyone within the camp. And she prided herself on not being onreasonable.
Andrei mentioned people starving, but Ellen wondered how that could be? The supplies were plenty and they had a steady stream of vegetables and meat.
"Zoey's out of time doc." Ellen said. "So if we make a decision on what to do with her we do it right now. What I need to know from you now is what are the risks if we decide not to get birthing equipment? And how plausible is it Zoey pops her calf out before we get back, should we decide to get equipment?"
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Mar 27, 2015 16:45:14 GMT -5
Andrei noticed a slight shift in Ellen's tone, evidence of him touching a nerve, as it were. Yet she still remained calm and continued speaking pretty much the same way, something he respected and enjoyed. He listened carefully to the iteration of her actions, and observed that she might've misunderstood his intention.
"Lass, I'm not questioning your judgement. These are your people, it's your decision. I'm merely trying to throw in another possible point of view on the situation. You did what your heart and head believed to be right and I'm not going to go against that."
The compromise she suggested seemed more than fair to him. Only sidearms, the staff would have a decision about which members of the guard would be inside, and they would only be secured.
"That's perfect. I wasn't suggesting there be no guards inside should the need arise and such. What I was after was reducing the guns being waved around, since it's a bit counter productive. Regarding the guards inside, we'll need people who can keep their cool under almost any circumstance, that can't be provoked at all; but I'll let you decide since they're your men and you know them best. If you decide someone is a risk, hell, I'll help you tie'em down. Thank you!"
It felt like a battle, negotiating with Ellen. Just like in the hospitals back home, where he'd have to work just as hard for meds and treatment. The subject then shifted towards the pregnant women, and especially Zoey, since she had the most advanced pregnancy.
"The risks? Well..." he scratched the back of his head, leaning back into the chair. "There's the obvious possibility of death for both her and the baby. Without the birthing equipment...I could try to improvise part of it. Another variable is the pregnancy itself. There's the possibility she's going to need a C-section, which is another problem. We could try giving her a small dose of spinal anaesthesia to reduce some of the pain and birthing in water. Before the walkers started walking there were studies that showed it was better and easier to give birth in water. If you do decide to go after the equipment...I can't give you a timetable. There's a chance she's going to go into labour in the next hour. As much as it pains me to say..." Andrei hesitated for a moment. Him and Zoey met recently, but they were getting along pretty well, and she seemed a good person. This wasn't the time to let emotions come before reason, though. "it might not be a good idea to go after the equipment now. I'll talk to Dr Harding and consult some of the books I brought with me to see what other things we can implement in the absence of a proper room." Andrei shifted his position again, his elbows resting on the table. "If things go well, we could delay getting the equipment. If it ends in disaster...we'll deal with it. Basically, what I'm saying is: I suggest we use her as an experiment."
Ellen was glad all logistic and moral matters were settled. She heard Andrei out about Zoey. Even though calling her an experiment rubbed her wrong, she knew it was probably necessary. There was time enough for the other two to get materials but still, Ellen contemplated about how long it would take to get birthing equipment. Normally this fell under Randall's department but she knew she had to sent along some of her guards to accompany them in the cities.
She kept her hand in front of her mouth, rubbing her lip with her thumb thinking. Dad had a fast and armored car but... no. She knew her Dad would go if she asked and she wasn't going to risk her own family for Zoey's sake. She didn't hate Zoey as a person but hated that she had been so careless as to get pregnant, even when during her time of conception profylactics were still at hand. Unfortunately there were some murmurs around the camp already, sharing her sentiment when it came to Zoey. Even some of her own guards were reluctant to go on such an endeavour because Zoey couldn't keep her legs shut 9 months ago. She had to throw them an olive branch too, but wanted Andrei's opinion on the matter before she did.
Ellen sighed. Either way, Zoey was going to have to make do without any real birthing equipment. But the waterbirth might be an option though, it's not as thought they'd ever be out of it. Bear Lake had all the water they wanted and it was patrolled five times a day to make sure no walkers were in it so it could be contaminated.
"Guess we'll have to make do for Zoey." Ellen answered. "Use what you can and do what you must. The waterbirth... might be an option though. I mean, it's not as though we'll run out of that anytime soon..."
Ellen pondered about it for a moment. They'd need a reservoir and somehow get the water heated. She had seen it been done before at college during a frat party. Some guys had suspended a large tub over a fire and it worked. They also came up with a name for it.
"Don't know how much of our 'culture' ever reached Romania, but... you ever hear about a 'Redneck Jacuzzi'?" Ellen asked, slightly smiling at the idea.
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Apr 2, 2015 8:26:09 GMT -5
Andrei raised an eyebrow at the term 'Redneck Jacuzzi'. It sounded quite funny, and potentially dangerous, involving a lot of DIY which had a habit of going wrong fast. But, they did have proper engineers in the camp who could help. If they refused, there were means of...convincing them. Before replying to Ellen, Andrei chuckled slightly and shook his head at the idea.
"No, I haven't, but I'm going to hazard a guess it's something that involves a lot of DYI. Is it when you fill an excavator bucket with water and put it over a massive bonfire? Because that, I've seen. I suppose you're going to suggest we use that to keep the water for the birthing at a warm temperature, right?" he asked while looking at Ellen. "We'll need to keep it at around 37-38 degrees Celsius, so the baby won't feel the change too harshly and start screaming underwater. But, beforehand, we'd have to make sure to pasteurize it, to reduce as much of the possible infections as possible."
After the last phrase, he covered his face in his palms and moved them through his hair, to the back of his head. He was now becoming aware of everything that could go wrong.
Ellen was impressed. That was exactly what she had in mind. But it seemed like a lot of hassle though, especially when it came to the water being pasteurized. But still doable, but they'd need a crew to work around the clock and work continuously. Still, there weren't exactly water thermometers around so there was no way of telling how hot the water might be. Still, the question was; was this a matter of comfort or would this make the birth less risky? The objective was to keep Zoey and her unborn alive, not having them both die in comfortable conditions. Andrei was clearly bothered as well, perhaps he was questioning this method too?
"Look, I could have a crew on that immediately." Ellen answered. "As for pasteurizing the water, we'd have to start cooking now. And even then, considering it's water from the lake it might just hold a few more bacteria than in normal conditions like with tapwater. We could always toss in a few chlorine tablets too but..."
Ellen leaned forward on the table, her hands entangled in eachother covering her mouth. She thought about it for a moment. Everything was possible to make and to do, but it was just a matter of it was worth it.
"Would it help?" Ellen asked. "As in, would they both be less at risk if we did it that way? Because if its the same as regular birth I'm not sure if it's worth it. And what if you need to operate anyway? We'd have to get her out of the tub and into the tent and in these weather conditions, she's likely to get a pneumonia as well."
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Apr 3, 2015 15:42:00 GMT -5
Ellen had a lot of questions, which was to be expected. This was a big problem to handle. Chlorine tablets...could be used, but he was afraid of toxic after-effects to the baby. But, before he could think of an answer to that, she came with the biggest and most important questions of all. 'Would it help?'
"Well...the whole thing was kind of controversial. Some found evidence it helped, others that it didn't. Pregnancies are a risky business all on their own, especially now when we lack imaging techniques. But, this is also her decision, as well; we should see how she wants to go about it. Nonetheless, it doesn't hurt to have some semblance of a plan put in place." he said, before continuing to pitch ideas on how to make it happen. Sitting around and waiting for Zoey's decision was reckless. "I think we can measure the temperature with a multimeter I picked up at the mansion in Miami. I was planning to use it in manufacturing some basic saline solution once that would be needed, since it can also measure pH and conductivity. As far as sterilizing the water goes...we could try to distil it, since I don't know of any bacteria or viruses that survive steam, and keep it in a barrel that we sterilized with alcohol or something before hand."
Andrei also leaned forward, resting his elbows on the table, hands in front of his face, with the tips of his fingers touching. He was getting an idea.
"Can your guys make some small electric water heaters or a rather large one, tied to a potentiometer? That way we could control the temperature correctly. As far as the weather risks...why don't we make it part of the medical tent, as it were? We put up another tent attached to the medbay, or put the ambulance with the back inside, and try it there."
Ellen had no idea whether or not it was possible to do what Andrei asked. Her job was security and scouting, engineering was Ranji Chamanlal's department. He'd have to ask her. Question was whether or not the other Council members would be as helpful as Ellen was to Andrei. But if she had a slight idea on how such a thing could come to be, an engineer like Chamanlal should have no problem working such a thing out. Chamanlal's cooperation would remain a big question mark though.
"Engineering's not my branch." Ellen answered. "You'd have to talk to Chamanlal to make such a thing. As for the additional tent to be set up that's only fifteen minutes work so I'll put my guys on that. We scavenged a whole bunch of military tents from the New South militia but we haven't been able to... well... clean the blood from them yet."
The raid on the New South encampment had been bloody, and none of them got spared. They were raiders, and after them brutally torturing and killing some of Bear Lake's people they fought back. Only after the raid on the New South camp it had turned from a battle into an eradication. Ellen got wounded in the final gunfight, from which she still beared the scar on her face to this day.
"I'll make it happen though." Ellen continued. "You see about cleaning the water, I'll discuss logistics with Chamanlal. I assume you'll talk to Zoey about it?"
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Apr 4, 2015 13:56:23 GMT -5
When asked if he would talk to Zoey, Andrei simply nodded. It should've been him, since they've gotten closer and closer since they met. She was becoming one of the few friends he had left, something usually not recommended in the field of medicine. Befriending your patient is quite risky, but Andrei believed that it's a high risk-high reward approach. Now that this was established, it was time to move to another important topic.
"There's one other matter. The medical staff has been reduced significantly over the past few days. It'll be only Harding and I in short time, and we can't wait for more medically trained people to show up. We need to start training some people from the camp to help. We could keep it up like this, but in less than 2 or 3 months we'd break, physically and mentally." he drank another shot of the stiff drink, before looking at Ellen and asking "Any ideas?"
Doctor Harding had expressed the lack of staff in the medbay to her a few hours before. Especially now that both nurses had left to be the bandit ringleaders' concubines. But it was already a matter Ellen was going to cover. Both her dad and herself found Anne-Marie to have changed, and not for the better. After having spent some time with her sister it had become clear to Ellen that Anne-Marie had become colder and more uncaring for people. It's like she had become a stranger to Ellen. The once kind-hearted teenager that loved people had become a cold and bitter, even hateful. Anne-Marie had become very able and skilled in surviving, but very distrustful of people; maybe more than she needed to. It's what being a mad man's captive had done to her, and both Ellen and her dad were afraid it would only get worse if they kept Anne-Marie in a violent environment, such as the guards. Maybe becoming a nurse and being among people would turn Anne-Marie back into her old self.
"Yes... about that..." Ellen answered. "My dad and I would like it if you'd take on Anne-Marie as a trainee... I know you've been around her longer than I have ever since shit hit the fan and you probably have this certain idea about her what kind of person she may be but for me and dad..."
Ellen paused for a second. Looking at the ground for a second before looking at Andrei again.
"I hardly recognize my sister you know?" Ellen continued. "She's not who she was before. I mean, I know we all had to adapt to this current world but I'm afraid she may have become too cold and bitter. But I know the real Anne-Marie's still in there you know? Dad and I just don't want her around too much violence anymore. Maybe you could like... learn her to care for people again?"
Post by Dan-Andrei Moldovan on Apr 6, 2015 10:28:34 GMT -5
Andrei nodded in response to Ellen's request to train Anne-Marie. He'd noticed something was up with her since he first met the girl properly at the motel. Veran could've been more useful in this area, maybe even both of them. But, he had gone his separate way, along with his son. What she was asking was sensible and potentially useful, but they'd have to be careful about it. Anne-Marie might feel betrayed, abandoned or something of the sorts, and might not understand why this decision was taken.
"Sure, I'll see what I can do. I noticed something was off with her since we first met, but I don't know the source. I'll try to find that out in the days to come, and once that's done, I could probably help her. I get the feeling she's really angry and hateful towards the world as a whole, not against someone in particular. Still, if she is to train under me, I think it would be best if you and your dad tell her yourselves, and maybe make it seem like it's training to help the entire family should something happen." he grinned at Ellen. It was as if they were hatching an evil plan, but, really, what they were going for was subtle manipulation. "What's most important is for her to want to do this. If you and your dad force her into it, it'll only get worse and, slowly, she'll lose her trust in you." That's what he believed would happen, anyway. Anne-Marie didn't seem to be as calculated as her father, who, Andrei was fairly certain, almost always had a plan.
"I'll give her some first aid lessons, first, and then go deeper. I'll stop somewhere at nurse-level knowledge, that's as much as I could go only through apprenticeship. After that, if she wants to learn more, she'll have to say so, but we'll see how things unfold. Until then, however, I'd like a few more, beside Anne-Marie. I'm thinking of about 4, in total. That way we could have about 3 shifts in total. Doc Harding and I will do a bit of statistics, to see when patients are most frequent, and we'll divide the work load. Me and her, by rotation, the two most frequented times, and the trainees what's left. After a while of training and supervision. If we get a trained nurse, in the meantime, it'll be perfect."
Ellen smiled at Andrei when he offered to help her sister. Still, she felt inclined to warn her of her stubborness but he probably already found that out himself. As far as this new world went, he had already spent more time with Anne-Marie than herself.
"Thank you." Ellen said. "It's just... hard for me to see her like that you know? She used to be such a kind and caring person... Not what you'd expect from your typical American cheerleader you know? She'd just as easy hang out with the freaks and geeks as she did with the it-girls and jocks. She used to like to everyone, just like our mom. Probably would've turned out a doctor like her as well..."
Ellen saw a few images from the past in her mind. The last memory she had of Arlington was when she came home for summer and being with the entire family on the Fourth of July. The rest of it was pretty much a blur, seeing as so much had happened since then. And what Drew had done to Anne-Marie was unforgiveable. Ellen still felt guilty she wasn't there to protect Anne-Marie. Maybe if she was... maybe Drew wouldn't have turned out so bad as he did and Anne-Marie would never have been the captive of a madman.
"What our brother did to her..." Ellen continued. "What Anne-Marie had to go through after that... She doesn't talk about it but it's changed her. I just hope it's not beyond repair."
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